Daisy and Violet Take a Stand

5 Aug

…And we stand against Chik-fil-a and their supporters.

This is not a free-speech argument. Nobody denies Chik-fil-a owner Dan Cathy his right to his opinion (no matter how stupid and ignorant it may be.)

We stand against a company which puts money into Cathy’s pockets. We stand against Cathy donating said money to organizations which support hate initiatives. What are we talking about, here? The Marriage and Family Coalition, started by Cathy, which is supported by Alan Chambers, president of Exodus International. What does Exodus International do? They promote “ex-gay” therapy, to “pray the gay away.” (Makes me wonder if we can “pray the Black away” or “pray the Jewish away.” Why don’t we just “pray” every time we encounter a people group that doesn’t fit in with our morals or ideals?) They call it “Set Free;” does anyone else find the irony in that?

He donates money to the National Christian Foundation, which in turn supported Focus on the Family. What did they do that pissed off your favorite heterosexual life partners? They stood in support of the Defense of Marriage Act, which aims to define marriage as existing between one man and one woman, by law.

Cathy supports the Family Research Council. They’re such an outspoken voice against the gay community that the Southern Poverty Law Group actually added them to a list of “Hate Organizations,” right up there with the KKK.

Daisy and Violet know (because the word “believe” implies that there is subjectivity to the statement) that people are born gay. Hormones, brain chemistry, whatever; we’re not scientists. We’re bloggers. But something chemical makes some people sexually repulsed by the opposite gender and attracted to the same gender. We believe these people deserve the same civil rights as straight Americans.

Daisy and Violet also believe in the Constitution. We believe in the freedom of speech. We believe in Cathy’s right to make his statements. We believe in keeping the government out of American’s lives, just like the authors of the Constitution intended. We believe in Thomas Jefferson’s words: “separation of Church and State” (we hope you know that that does not appear anywhere in the Constitution, kiddos.) We want to keep Constitution out of our prayers and our beliefs out of the Constitution. Daisy and Violet believe that all Americans should enjoy the same basic rights, in spite of race, gender, creed, religion, or sexual preference.

A friend commented on Facebook recently, stating that she’s had two failed marriages, implying that as a heterosexual, she’s no better than anyone else at this ” til death do us part” stuff. What makes us think that the gay community won’t get it right?

 

(Violet would like to challenge her Christian readers in support of CFA to find one verse in the Bible where Jesus, not Paul or the random author(s) of Leviticus, speak against gay/lesbian relationships.)

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21 Responses to “Daisy and Violet Take a Stand”

  1. Irreverent Reptile August 5, 2012 at 11:35 am #

    Good for you, ladies, and, as is pretty much always the case, you nailed it, again.

    But, guess what: you won’t win this one. Why? There’s still far too much ignorance and stupidity (and those are two different things, for those of you who’re hovering over the juxtapositioning) at large in this bumptious and coarse land of ours, and by themselves but certainly, together, they foment jealousy and fear and envy and low-level ego insufficiencues, as surely as warm sewer water will culture out something fetid and toxic, sooner or later. Those things, whether individually or in combination (any combination) eventually percolate down into hate and anger. Those who engage in institutional or collective or group hate are surely screwed up (and sometimes, they know it), but at least in this country, they have to be tolerated. They can’t all be injected and stultified, in some Orwellian fashion (though it might be nice – – till the selection process of candidates for chemical behavioral mod itself fell into the wrong hands). The have to be tolerated.

    They don’t deserve it, but they get it, anyway (and please, please don’t talk to me about “rights:” I deal in the real “rights” every day; I know what they are; and the right to be stupid ain’t one of them.

    Freedom. It’s like mercury or lidocaine. Used and applied properly, it (they) can be great. In the wrong hands, it (they) can be dangerous, sometimes even lethal.

    Yes. I Are.

  2. Blondie August 5, 2012 at 2:37 pm #

    …Then you stand against me. Here’s a man who has donated millions to and develops global programs for adoption. long-term foster care, physically-challenged children, college scholarships and more….yet he is treated like a pariah because he has one view that you don’t tolerate.

    You say it’s not a free speech issue, but it’s that view (and his support of it) that you attack. What are you saying…that a man can state his belief but he can’t act in support of it? You’ll only tolerate lip service?

    You know that I have many more gay friends than you have. Let’s not play the hate card. “Hate” initiative? People donate to foundations to cure anorexia but that doesn’t mean they hate anorexics. This man does not hate gays. He just believes that marriage should be defined as between a man and woman. He believes that homosexuality is wrong and can be cured and he believes he can help. That’s his view. You can completely disagree, but why the attack?

    How would you feel if a man who contributed so much to society in so many ways through his business was attacked because of his pro-gay marriage view? Would you say that all the good his company has done falls away just because it happens to contribute to the passage of gay marriage? I believe you’d say he was entitled to his opinion and that he was being unfairly attacked. And do you know what? You can’t call yourself tolerant for that. Anyone can support someone with whom they agree, Tolerance is respecting opinions that differ from your own.

    Sourcing the Southern Poverty Law Center doesn’t strengthen your position. It hurts it. The SPLC is so corrupt that the American Institute of Philanthropy gives them one of the worst ratings of any group it monitors.

    Your challenge at the end does little to argue against the Biblical view of heterosexual marriage, as what Paul and the other “random authors” wrote is Biblical since it’s in the Bible, and when Jesus spoke of marriage, He always spoke of it as between a man and his wife.

    But that really has nothing to do with it. It doesn’t matter why Cathy has the opinion he has; what’s important is that all views are tolerated in this country without vicious attack. As usual, there’s a deafening uproar against Christians. This is politically-engineered hysteria that is part of a continuing anti-Christian campaign. I don’t see any attacks against Muslim-owned businesses and the Koran calls for the death of homosexuals! Where are the protests against importing oil from the Saudis and other anti-gay Arab countries?

    If you’d like to boycott Chick-Fil-A because of just one of this man’s opinions, go for it. But make sure you also stop buying gas from OPEC countries that condone killing as punishment for homosexuality. I believe it’s worse to murder gays than to call their unions civil unions instead of marriages, don’t you?

    • daisyandviolet August 5, 2012 at 3:48 pm #

      1. If you read the post with the intention to truly understand, then you failed. I very clearly articulated what it is we oppose: not his speech, but his financial contributions.
      2. Don’t make this personal. It’s not about you and me.
      3. You HAD more gay friends than I do. Past tense. Present tense, I can’t count one you spend any time with. Drop the fallacies.

      • Blondie August 5, 2012 at 4:24 pm #

        1, If you read my second paragraph with the intention to truly understand, you would see my response to your assertion that it is just his financial contributions that you oppose.

        2. Absolutely didn’t make it personal. Just stating my opinion.

        3. I HAVE more gay friends than you. They are still my friends; I am in touch with many of them. We have lots of new gay friends in Miami as well. You can’t count one? You correspond with some of them.

    • daisyandviolet August 5, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

      And just to clarify, he can spend his money wherever he pleases, but these two bloggers will not contribute, however minutely, to his income.

      • Blondie August 5, 2012 at 5:03 pm #

        Did you read my last two paragraphs? I support your boycott. But why aren’t you boycotting Muslim businesses and OPEC countries who support killing homosexuals? This is selective outrage, engineered and directed at Christians. It’s the hypocrisy I oppose. Where there should be real outrage – where gays are being murdered – they are silent. If it hurts you to spend money at Chick-Fil-A, the next time you pump gas, remember that you are contributing to the killing of gays, the stoning of women and the abuse of little girls.

        • daisyandviolet August 5, 2012 at 5:15 pm #

          In this household, we buy our gas exclusively from Racetrack or Marathon for that exact reason. We also boycotted Starbucks when they wouldn’t put a location in one of the FOBs in Iraq/Kuwait/Afghanistan, and support businesses which we agree with. It’s not selective; it’s not as though this is the one and only organization whose views have piqued my interest. This happens to be a hot-button issue right now, which is why D&V addressed it.

          • Blondie August 5, 2012 at 5:45 pm #

            I didn’t say you’re the ones being selective. but you made my point. Why do you think it’s a hot button issue? It’s selective liberal political engineering, such as Occupy Wall Street, that selects per their agenda whom they attack, and Christians are constantly a target. The media did their part and it turned into a hot button issue…and you addressed it. Why did you take a stand in your blog about this and not about the gay-killing Muslims which is much, much worse? You jumped on the bandwagon because it’s hot button, and gays being killed is met with silence from America because it’s not “hot”. Selective engineering and it’s targeted against Christians.
            Unfortunately, though your heart was in the right place, you went out of your way to buy gas when there is no way for consumers to know where the oil came from. Check sources e.g. snopes.

  3. Hevel August 6, 2012 at 3:59 am #

    I’d like to point out that the same people who call this a free speech issue seemed to support National Organization for Marriage’s Dump Starbucks campaign, because Starbucks supports marriage equality. That was okay. Dumpind CFA is a free speech issue. Once again, Christian hypocrsy at its best. (Not that I go to Starbucks. They are cowards and withdrew from Israel when Arab countries threatened to kick them out if they stayed here.)

    As for Blondie, thank you for equating the level of human rights and democracy in the United States of America with Arab countries. Because what you refer to happens in countries where women can be killed for being raped, not in the USA. Also, pleeease, as long as your major holiday is a federal holiday, don’t say that Christians are a constant target. And one of the reasons why this post is targeted at Christians and not Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Shintoists or Krishna Conscious folks, is because they were not involved. Cathy spreads his hate in the name of Christianity. Huckabee is a Christian. Most everyone involved in the support showing hypocrisy was Christian. This is not about a general issue but one very Christian f*ck up.

  4. Hevel August 6, 2012 at 4:13 am #

    Oh, and the Joshua Project is also attempting to pay my religion outta me. 😀

    • Blondie August 6, 2012 at 7:56 am #

      lol So Hevel, you’re saying that the Muslim stoning of women, killing of gays and abuse of children doesn’t matter because it happens more often in Arab countries than in the US? (btw, it happens here, too. Do some research.) It’s okay to buy oil from anti-gay countries because they keep most of their murder and rape overseas? And you’re actually saying that because Christmas is a federal holiday, there’s no such thing as anti-Christian bias and they’re never targeted? lol Do you live under a rock? Christians are forbidden to wear Christian symbols to school, forbidden to pray in school, thrown in jail for holding Bible study in their homes, etc. but all that doesn’t matter because government offices are closed Dec. 25! lol Do you read the news? I wonder if you even read what I wrote or you would have seen that I support boycotts but I have a problem with selective outrage. Until three months ago, obama’s position was anti-gay marriage. Why did we hear so little about that? Where was the kiss-in outside the White House? Where was the anti-obama campaign by the gay community? obama and most democrats support the Muslim Brotherhood. But do you hear about gays protesting his support of a group that advocates killing gays? Do gays protest the US purchase of oil from gay-killing Arab countries? Many of the same people who attack Chick-Fil-A supported the building of a mosque at Ground Zero. But let a Christian say he believe marriage involves a man and a woman and he’s the target of vitriol and even punishment by elected officials.

      Obama changed his opinion right before an election for political gain. All of a sudden, now that Obama has conveniently changed his mind, the gay marriage thing had to become an issue and people like you became unwitting tools. Cathy has had the same views and has been donating to these organizations for years,,, but lo and behold, all of a sudden, the liberal machine gets all of you riled up. It wouldn’t work before because then, obama was on record as agreeing with him. You’re just political patsies doing your part.

      • daisyandviolet August 6, 2012 at 8:01 am #

        Blonde, Hevel is not an American…

        • Blondie August 6, 2012 at 8:24 am #

          That doesn’t matter. I still wonder if he supports obama.

          • Hevel August 6, 2012 at 11:03 am #

            No. I don’t support right wing Christians. If he is the leftest your country can come up with, I’m pretty sad for you all,

      • Hevel August 6, 2012 at 10:54 am #

        Blondie, you don’t even deserve a reply… just a waste of time, when you don’t even READ what I wrote, and you don’t have an original idea. Brainwashed all the way down to your brain stem.

        • Blondie August 6, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

          You are calling Obama a right-wing Christian? Did I read that right? What an insane and ludicrous statement. I guess I’m crazy, then, because I’m arguing with a fool. Not only that, you follow the masses; you’re not a free thinker and you’re not even informed.,

    • daisyandviolet August 6, 2012 at 7:57 am #

      Hevel,
      We’re glad to have your first hand input.

      D&V

      • Blondie August 6, 2012 at 8:47 am #

        And I thought you;d be mortified by his comments. It’s one thing to be glad to have all points of view reflected in your comments, but this is hate-filled propaganda. He says he is targeting Christians in his post but not Muslims because muslims are not involved. Right. Muslims are anti-gay marriage and kill gays but they are not involved…and he calls Christians hypocrites!

        • Hevel August 6, 2012 at 11:12 am #

          Blondie. Muslims. Have. No. Role. In. The. Issue. We. Are. Talking. About.

      • Hevel August 6, 2012 at 10:55 am #

        You might want to moderate my most recent comment. I apologise, fuses are blown by general stupidity today.

        • Blondie August 6, 2012 at 11:24 am #

          I am sorry that your fuses are blown by your general stupidity. But try to focus, please. Please read what I wrote. The issue is anti-gay marriage sentiment. Muslims are not only opposed to gay marriage, they execute gays. How could they not be involved? lol It’s just as I said. You are led by propaganda. You go no further than Chick-Fil-A and admit to not targeting Muslims because you want to leave it where this manufactured hysteria stops..If the issue is anti-gay sentiment, why are you targeting Christians and not gay-killing Muslims? You are a tool. If you really cared about the issue, you would include people who kill homosexuals!

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